Clobber Passages


Many good refutations of the anti-homosexual Clobber Passages have been published on the internet as well as in hard cover. But my intuition was that evangelicals and fundamentalists would find them inadequate because their view of scripture is frequently different from the conservative view.

Conservatives used to invoke a long list of allegedly anti-homosexual verses. As time has gone by, many have been dropped because they are obviously irrelevant, in particular verses referring  to temple prostitution (1 Kings 14:24; 1 Kings 15:12; 1 Kings 22:46; 2 Kings 23:7), and to male and female prostitution (Deuteronomy 23:18).

I will be responding to the Clobber Passages in the weeks and months to come. When I post on one of the passages, I will list it here for your convenience.

RESPONDING TO THE CLOBBER PASSAGES

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20 Responses to Clobber Passages

  1. Anonymous says:

    Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? If so why do you add to it? If God says it I believe it, if he says homosexuality is a Sin then it is a sin, stop trying to find loopholes where there is none. accept we must follow God or follow our own way, your choice!!!!!!

    • Tara says:

      Funny how you post this anonymously. No one is adding to the word of God. To quote Rev. S. Russell, “The handful of passages in the Old and New Testaments that talk about God condemning specific sexual acts have nothing whatsoever to do with sexual orientation and everything to do with contexts such as cultic prostitution or gang rape.”

      Context.

      • Nick says:

        Clear this up for me, put 1 Corinthians 6:9 into context

      • james says:

        Romans chapter 1 clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. You all are just wanting to justify your life style.

      • Ron Goetz says:

        James, as a Christian I speak from experience. Romans 1: 28-32 contains a list of sins of the mind. Sometimes that mind is called depraved, or useless. The following are also in Romans 1.

        “Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness:

        sin
        greed
        hate
        envy
        quarreling
        deception
        malicious behavior
        gossip
        backstabbers
        insolent
        proud
        boastful.

        They disobey their parents.
        They refuse to understand.
        They break their promises.
        They are heartless.
        They have no mercy.

        They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.”

        You single out one sin in Romans 1, yet there are 26 sins in the chapter. All of us Christians are afflicted with the sins of the useless, foolish, depraved mind. Yet some of us want to single out gays and lesbians for special criticism.

        James, please read Romans 2:1-5:

        “You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things.

        “And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things.

        “Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid God’s judgment when you do the same things?

        “Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?

        “But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself.”

        James, with God’s grace I try to live by this as much as I can.

        James, to grow into the man of God you desire to be you will need to learn to be like Christ. Jesus did not condemn or judge the people whom he loved and to whom he ministered.

        The only people Jesus was rough on were people who made a living off the people of God and misrepresented God to them. These were the money changers, and the scribes, Pharisees, and priests who made God’s people feel guilty, condemned, and unworthy of God.

  2. sherry_715@yahoo.com says:

    [This message is from a second-language speaker.]

    The kind of sex male to male as with a woman is impure (abomination) like dietary food not sin. This verse surely involves three persons because it was addressed to Israelite’s husbands. Contextually it probably refer to sexual act that is harmful or the same as cultic practices of Canaanite men where they are going. Would you please search the original hebrew language of this verse and its context in their time and place. Really don’t add because there is no prohibition to same women sex so you are the one who are guilty of adding it. This only proves that this verse does not refer to all homosexuality or being homosexuality in itself. So don’t judge immediately.

  3. Thank you very much Mr. Ron Goetz we are friends because I’m a homosexual and is a pro-homosexual. Keep up the good work for supporting and defending gays and lesbians. I’ll pray for our success for defending our rights as equal human being. God bless us all….

  4. response to anonymous says:

    Having a different interpretation is not “adding” and is also not akin to finding “loopholes”. It is merely an interpretation like Orthodox/Conservative or Progressive readings of the scripture. Just because you hold a different interpretation does NOT mean another interpretation is not what G’d would have wanted us to see, no one can speak for G-d.

  5. Jesus loving teen says:

    It’s true that we arent supposed to follow the old law anymore, and yes the bible does say that we shouldn’t judge. Although those two things are true here’s the truth in context in the new testament, which is supposed to be followed. Romans 1:18 says it all but in full context read from the beginning of Romans 1. Another passage of scripture is 1 Corinthians 6:9 through the end of the chapter. It clearly states the immoral doings of not just homosexuals, but of slanderers, greedy people and many more. Christ died on the cross for everyone who wishes to believe in him. He is giving us a free gift and many people push it away, and I don’t know why. It’s a gift of eternal life. Pick it if you choose.

  6. Mary Jordan says:

    It is sad that we take the Bible and explain it the way we want to. No we are not under the law any more, but as believers we are under grace. Paul also said that because we are under grace do we continue in sin? No God forbid. Open your eyes and ears so you can see and hear what God is saying.

    • Ron Goetz says:

      Mary, I agree with you. Insisting that the Bible is correct when it says we are no longer under the law is not the same as saying it’s okay to sin. What’s the problem?

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  8. bubleeshaark says:

    I am gonna stop posting or reading this blog. I’ve made this decision because I believe I am unable to persuade any of you of the truth about homosexuality. I fear because homosexuality leads to a lot of problems down the road. I will pray that each of you will one day realize this truth of God’s. I do not claim myself to be better than you, because I have stumbled in many ways which are not even being discussed here.

    May God bless you and show His incredible love to you.
    Adam

  9. Larry Pruett says:

    You are correct we are not under the old law during the Church age. However, all the points of law that deals with morals does hold up today. Also if you read in Romans you will see that being is a result of turning your back to God. that’s right you are not born to be gay. that is a big lie. you are born with a fleshly body that is against the spirit. so read (Romans 1:26-27). It is very simple, if you chose Jesus and put Jesus in your heart, you will stop being gay. If you stay being gay you will be judged and will live for ever in the lake of fire. i am sorry to tell all you this. and if our country keeps making laws proping up same sex marriages, our country will be judged. and that my friends is my business.

    Larry

  10. james says:

    Im going to make this clear god loves everybody but not the sin that they do that includes homosexuality. I dont claim to be perfect and im not judging god already did that. By romans chapter 1 and among others

    • Ron Goetz says:

      James, I know you want to serve the Lord and have a Christ-like ministry. We believe that Jesus was God incarnate, and he did not come to judge the world. “I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.” (John 12:47) God is more concerned with saving the world than with judging it.

      When you think about judgment, you think about sinners being judged. Please consider this. The Holy Spirit (called the Advocate or the Comforter–the Paraclete) came to correct our mistaken ideas about God judging sinners.

      Jesus said, “When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: . . . about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.” (John 16:11) Satan is the prince of this world, and he is already condemned. Please consider the possibility that you have it wrong.

      The Holy Spirit “will prove the world to be in the wrong about . . . judgment, because the [it is] the prince of this world [who] now stands condemned.”

      Please meditate on what this means. God did not come to earth to judge the world, but to save it. It is the prince of this world, Satan, who stands condemned.

  11. james says:

    You and everybody else who advocate or are homosexual will find out on judgement day then it will be to late

    • Ron Goetz says:

      Thank you for the warning, and for your concern. You have discharged your duty here, James. Your work is finished. You have declared the word of the Lord to the best of your understanding. Go in peace.

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